Good evening chief, I dont have any experience with those, but my 10 year old daughter has been carrying a 223 youth rifle in Maine this hunting season and she is shooting a winchester 223 64 GR. power point. Her rifle does not shoot them good, fact is the hole is oblong at 50yds. However the goup is 3" at that distance. I measured the twist on her rifle and it is 1 in 13 not good for heavy bullets. I must admit we had alot of fun with this rifle prior to hunting season with bullets in the 50 gr. range, as far as target practice go.

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