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 11-24-2017, 17:16 Post: 112524
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Probably easier to find in the desert southwest where Mark lives. Nothing rusts out there.






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 11-24-2017, 22:10 Post: 112528
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Yooper, you might be thinking of a Geo Metro or similar tiny cars. Three cylinder engine, 12 inch wheels, etc.

The Samurai has a 1.3 liter, single overhead cam, 4 cylinder, carbureted engine. The model that replaced it, the Sidekick/Tracker has an even larger, 90 horse, fuel injected engine. I am not up on motorcycles, but these don't look like motorcycle engines.

I haven't seen a Brat in years. If I ever do see one I will snap it up.

One thing you can do with the Samurai that you can't do with other small 4x4's is the easy replacement of the transfer case gears with gears so low they would make your tractor envious.

The Samurai uses a separate T-case(not joined to the transmission)and quality rebuilt T-cases with lower gear ratio's are available for as little as $800 bucks.

I have no need to jack up my new toy. It has more than enough ground clearance as it stands. I might put some tractor gears in it though.






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 11-25-2017, 03:04 Post: 112535
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 An Interesting Comparison, RTV vs. 1987 Samurai

This discussion points out exactly why I have the '61 IH Scout that I do. In addition to being a collector's item, it makes a great utility vehicle. I bought it with a full length cab but I ditched that in favor of an original half cab that leaves the 5' bed open. Much more handy around the acreage. I use it to haul firewood, hay bales, branches, sand and dirt, garden produce, and a lot more. And, with an 8000-lb PTO winch, it can do work that an ATV couldn't touch. Just the other week we used it to skid a 1600 bushel grain bin back on a new pad at my in-law's farm. And, like pointed out previously, it is fully street legal. All for a total investment of about $2000 which includes a complete engine rebuild, new tires, and the additional cab.
About the worst part of using this type of vehicle for an ATV is the wide turning circle. I think my extended cab F-150 can turn shorter than the Scout. Newer vehicles with open knuckle front axles (like the previously mentioned Samuri, Toyota pickup, Jeep, etc.) can turn a lot better.






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 11-25-2017, 07:59 Post: 112572
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The comment about the T-case and low gears just reminded me of an interesting truck on one of the jobs we did years ago.

The guy wanted a truck geared down to nothing, but couldn't find the gears he needed so did what he thought was the next best thing.

He converted it to Hydrostatic drive. He put a swash plate style pump on the back of the motor in place of the TX and a pair of skidsteer drive motors (working in unison) out of a wrecked unit on the input shaft to the T-case.

The result was 100% engine power at an infinite range of speeds.

It certainly was creative if nothing else.

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 12-22-2017, 07:46 Post: 120022
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This is an EXCELLENT discussion to bump back up to the top. Has anyone actually purchased any of these vehicles and put them to off road use? I am looking at something exactly along these lines. It would be interesting to hear any follow up posts and comments about the pro's and con's.






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 12-22-2017, 22:29 Post: 120025
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Look at this.

This outfit is owned by an old friend of mine.






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 12-25-2017, 14:17 Post: 120038
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I have to disagree somewhat with the old 4x4 can do it all feeling. I demonstrated an Argo yesterday for our utility work and it is one of the most awesome machines I have used to date. The base model is the cost of an ATV yet it can transverse swamps and foird streams while keeping four to six people dry.

We broke ice in a swamp and "swam" from shore to shore across a 30' wide running stream with no bottom showing. With the addition of a set of tracks it can put a snowmobile to shame for the same price.






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 12-26-2017, 19:44 Post: 120045
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Cutter.... check out this puppy.

Kubota turbo-diesel engines and separate hydraulic motors for each wheel.






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 12-27-2017, 00:38 Post: 120046
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Here's one for Randy.....






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 12-27-2017, 05:33 Post: 120047
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Those Bad Boy Buggies are pretty kewl! I didn't see what their range and endurance was. They were about half the price of an ATV.






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