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 01-01-2018, 13:09 Post: 120077
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I am looking at heavy varmit rifles either .223 or 22-250. Need some other outside thoughts on pros and cons.

Primary use is target, woodchucks, crows, coyotes.

My .308 heavy varmit is a little hard on the coyotes especially if it is exceptional and is to be mounted.

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 01-01-2018, 18:03 Post: 120078
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I have both calibers. The 22-.250 has lots more behind it as you can see when comparing case sizes. The .223 ammo is allot less money to shoot because of its NATO adaptation. In the .223 I usually shoot 45 grain ammo and 55 grain in the .22-250. My .223 rifle is a Colt AR-15 with target bull barrel with a slightly faster twist than standard barrels. This allows me to also shoot 55 grain ammo. I've been told that the AR's with normal barrel twist don't shoot heavier ammo well (rounds orbit or spiral). I consider the .223 good to about 300 yards and the .22-250 good to 400 yards. Some people can shoot the .223 to 500 yards. In saying that the .22-250 will also go further.

My .22-250 is a single shot browning with hexagon barrel (Model 1885 high wall) with a $1,000.00 list price and I use a Leupold Var-X III 6 1/2-20 scope with fine duplex that has a list of about $1,200.00. You can get the rifle and scope for about $850.00 each. That is the most beautiful gun and scope setup that I have.

The Colt AR-15 with target barrel has a Colt tactical 4X scope. It is good for finding and following moving objects. I have 5,20,30 & 40 round clips for it. It is basically a civilian M-16. I have always felt it was a poor rifle for military use but it sure is good for varmints. You can pick one of these up for $900.00-$1,200.00. Recoil is nearly nothing for rapid target re-acquisition allowing rapid fire.

If you are on a tight budget, a single shot H&R/NEF rifle under $200.00 topped with a Bushnell 3 1/2-9X scope for about $45.00 is a practical setup.

Ruger came out with a new cartridge called a .205. Haven't had any experience with it but have been told it is hotter than the .22-250. Don't know why anyone needs more power except to say that they have it.






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 01-02-2018, 03:52 Post: 120080
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Yooper I'm just having a tuff time with this.

I like the Remington 700 varmit/match, very much and lean this way for the .22 varmit in 22-250. Me also likes the Leupold VII 6X18 fine duplex with target knobs.

I also like the Bushmaster with the heavy barrel and as you the scope would be less power for the .223. However a 700 varmit/match would be very nice to have in this cal.

I'm gonna mull on this a while or (which may not be a bad thing) get both. My biggest hold up at this point is the time needed to devote to good skills with either. I do not shoot any of my rifles anywhere enough now.

When I was shooting Hi-Power Silouette, for about 9 years, I was shooting over 40 rounds per week not counting matches just to stay in practice. I just have not have the time, in the past 8 years or so, for quality time with the rifles.






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 01-02-2018, 13:41 Post: 120082
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Harvey:
Either of those guns are more accurate than you are. It is very hard for me to shoot accurately at long distances. I shake too much! It takes practice but some guns fit better than others. I've spent way too much on guns but still keep buying more of them.

Bi-pods or some kind of rest is needed for me (you can't always find the right tree). Shooting sticks don't work for me. I have a bi-pod on the Browning. It is good for still shots but is in the way for a moving coyote or fox. Even when you have a bi-pod I find it very uncomfortable to get nestled in to eliminate shaking.






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 01-02-2018, 18:35 Post: 120085
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As long as I have food in me and not just cafeine I am ok and pretty solid.

Very rarely will I attempt a kill type shot from a offhand position. I always use the most solid rest or position I can get in. BUT there are some of the snap shots that are quick and require the best I can do standing and out of balance. My rifles I carry in the field usually have bi-pods.

I think I have made up my mind. The Remington 700 vls in 22-250 with a leupold vxIII 6.5X20 50mm target with turret adjustments. I'm leaning that way very much.






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 01-03-2018, 09:19 Post: 120088
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Harvey:
That sounds like a nice set-up. Be mindful that at 100 yards and 6 1/2X it is somewhat difficult for target acquistion when it is moving. At 20X it is impossible.

Last fall my neighbor borrowed my .30-06 auto with Leupold fixed 10X scope.

I told him to practice pulling up on an object. He didn't and got buck fever. He missed 3 different shots of walking bucks because he couldn't find them.

When I use the .30-06 on private property, I shoot down diked trails with 150 yard shots. The deer must drop instantly or I have to go back and get waders and may never find it. Head or neck shots work but must be right on!

Leupold also makes a 4.5-14X50. I chose the 6.5-20x50 for extra clarity and am happy with the purchase. I have the Browning and AR-15 set-up differently to cover different shooting circumstances. With the Browning, I'm looking at very distant still targets and only plan to be able to get one shot off.






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 01-03-2018, 14:13 Post: 120089
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The decision is made. Rem 700 VLS in the 204 ruger. Scope is still kinda up in the air but it will be a leupold. I'll let you know the final set up. I still have a couple of weeks to finialize the thoughts.

Running vermin will probably need something else someday like a heavy barrel Bushmaster in the 223.

Headed down to Cabelas in PA this weekend to touch, feel, drool...






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 01-04-2018, 00:02 Post: 120091
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While you are at Cabela's check out the Optronics nightblaster scope lights. For $84.99 you can get the Nightblaster Max 350 light which clamps on your 1" scope tube and with a Xenon bulb will shoot a 350 yard beam. They also have an adapter for 30mm scope tubes. They have a $10.00 mail-in rebate and will give you a LED headlamp free with purchase. The red filter doesn't scare varmints! The outfit comes with a 6V battery and charger unit. I'd like to hear what you think about it!

Unless you spend about $1,600.00, you can't get a night vision scope to work well beyond 100 yards. I've got some night vision binoculars to pan looking for varmints. I figure using that in combination with the gun light should work out well.

The above stuff is shown in their latest Shooting and reloading 2006 catalog that just came yesterday.






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 01-05-2018, 00:34 Post: 120096
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Interesting thread...buying guns, don't get me started. When I first went to war with the coyote I could not find the light you are referring to....tried several big box including Gander and Dicks. I'll check Cabalas on-line.






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 01-05-2018, 05:29 Post: 120097
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Go to Google Froogle and search for the Optronics light. You will fall down with the hits.






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