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 08-18-2017, 18:34 Post: 75818
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Richard..well, write me in. Just joking.

Yeah..I know about Robert "there's entirely too much consumin' goin' on" Bird. What a piece of work. I'm sure you didn't put him in office but alot of people did..and alot of those were folks that would have voted for his opponent, had they voted.

70% of Americans are moderate to conservative. The extreme left/right comprize about equal numbers outside of that.

If 100% of Americans voted and the politicians knew that they would, then you'd see candidates with those values, who wouldn't otherwise run, do so. I really believe that we'd have better choices.

Look at Jesse Ventura. He went to war against both parties as an independent and won. But..he energized a base that alot of which wouldn't have voted.

And how about the horrible prospect of Hillary running for Prez and winning!!?? Jeez..we just gotta get out and keep THAT from happening!!! Even if her opponent isn't our favorite. And I predict that she will come knocking in '08. We won't be out of the woods from those 8 years with "them" in office and America just can't stand another 8 years of communist, self serving trash running this country. So..voting, especially under THAT senario is a matter of survival.

It DOES matter. If only one voter shows up and he/she votes in Hillary..we ALL suffer and bye bye America.

It's been interesting, Richard, and I never intended to get into politics on a tractor site. Now, I gotta order my toothbar and rotary broom before spring arrives....and start my tax returns. Fun.

"Wildie" AKA Mike (there's an interesting story about how I got a "nick" like wildman)






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 08-18-2017, 23:29 Post: 75820
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Richard, I am sure you have heard the saying "people are Goveren by the type of goverment they deserve" I am sad to say your idea of not voting is not the way of solving our problems,not only are you telling our elected officials you condone their actions and behavior in office you are in fact encouraging such..People have to get involved in what they feel is wrong, from the local and state level to the federal. Term limits is just another way of telling the American people "you are not smart enough to vote me out of office" so we will pass another law to enforce and take away some more of your freedom.. One person can do little or nothing at all to effect change but collecttivly there is no limit to what we can accomplish... I know, trying to get americans to act in unison is like trying to organize a can of fishing worms, but if we ever give up and say it does not matter, our great republic is doomed....






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 08-19-2017, 04:23 Post: 75843
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Log,respect your opinion,but needless to say,don't agree with most of it. Richard






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 08-19-2017, 09:18 Post: 75916
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I'm a conservative, Have guns, and even more dangerous items..like a tractor with all of its scarey implements.

I recently read a paper written by a history professor about democracies going back several thousand years. His research found that the average lifespan for a democracy was about 200 years. The stages each democracy went through mirrored what ours is going through. The end stage was total apathy followed by autocratic rule.

After freedom was won, people were euphoric and patriotic. They got involved. Then came the discovery that they could vote themselves entitlements and the like. Then came expectations that the government should provide those nice things while fewer & fewer people involved themselves in the process. This was followed by voluntary military service and a total apathetic attitude.

This was followed by military takeovers and..viola'...no more democracy. We are in the end game right now.

Fact is, this subject came up when a General officer recently stated that an attack on the U.S. by weapons of mass destruction could very well spell an end to our constitution. That could only happen if the people stay uninvolved and LET it happen.

Just not involving oneself with our system of government is a sure fire way to make THAT a self fulfilling prophecy.

It's never gonna be a perfect system but it takes all of us to keep the lid on and maintain our freedom.

GET AND STAY INVOLVED! Or...dig a hole, climb into it with a bunch of guns and wait for them to come blow you out of it. (Ruby Ridge)(Waco). THEM is supposed to be US. But that is changing.

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 08-19-2017, 14:12 Post: 75945
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Humm. Let me think about it........., no still ain't voting. Now I got to get busy,my hole needs to be at least 5 more ft deep by dark. Richard






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