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There are more modern alternatives such as solids, but Nosler partician bullets are pretty good. I have also used the Speer Mag tips with pretty good success. For moose or elk I would use my .338 Win Mag. If I don't have the right handloads, I find that the Federal Premium rounds are pretty good factory rounds with decent bullets. I use ballistic tipped handloads in some 25.06 rounds and .223 rounds for the varmit rifles.
On the farm, it was my job to convince the ground hogs to leave the soybeans alone. A 7mm Mag with 115 grain HP is a pretty convincing argument.
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Do you have elk in your area ?? After the above experience I began reloading. I now use 165 grain Noslers. I shoot a .75 five shot group on a bench at 100 yards and mostly what I love about this round for whitetail is it is slowed down enough to do a little better in the thick stuff and at 100 yards is instantly lethal passing straight through. The trouble I have found in the past with bullets that only come in hollow points like the .44 mag (generally) is that they make a nasty mess.
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Hollow points are pretty much intended to make a mess. A .44 Mag HP load is OK in a pistol, but in a .44 Mag rifle, I use softnose bullets. A .44 Mag rifle is a nice gun for <100 yd shots on deer size and smaller game. The .357 Max that started this thread is also good on that size game and in that range.
I live in New Mexico. We have huge elk here. Colorado is probably even better. When it is not hunting season, you sometimes have to wait for the Elk to get off the road in the more remote places. I don't mind the delay, because they are beautiful animals.
There are no elk on my land. I have coyotes, jack rabbits, cotton tails and a few road runners.
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That 25-06 should work just fine on those Coyotes. ;o)
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Some day if I win the lotto I am going on a Elk hunt. On the Guns America site there are two listings for model 94 Winchesters in 7-30 waters on page 3 of modern lever Winchesters. The first is N.I.B. at $895 the other is a used carbine at $595.00
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My wife likes the coyotes. We don't have any dogs or cats and so they don't bother us. So, the local coyote family is safe enough on my land. They do keep the bunny population in check. The rabbits do more damage to garden plants than I can explain.
There are some cattle ranches where prairie dogs are a big problem. The little critters tear up the land and cattle get stuck in their holes when they walk over the prairie dog colony. There are lots of people around the cities that think that they are "cute." I just had a conversation with a friend that was "concerned" about a group that catches prairie dogs live in Albuquerque and takes them out to the ranch land to "set them free." That is like someone catching rats and then putting them in your garage when you aren't home.
You probably heard about the guy from NM that turned up in New York with Bubonic plague a few months ago. He probably got it from the prairie dogs or the colony fleas. That guy lives within 50 miles of me. He and his wife are still not completely healed.
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Coyotes are the scurg here in TN. They will attack in groups sometimes and kill pets, and occasionally a calf. Coyotes were hunted down to nil for a reason. Just like Grizzly bears. I like the animals but not when I am on their menu. ;o)
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Not to mention small children.
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I will shoot coyotes, just not these coyotes.
Even though I have a few acres of land, I am also in the city limits. That makes for some interesting things from time to time. There is a city ordinance about the discharge of a firearm, but it changes. It is on again one day and then off again the next. As far as I know, there is not a law against the discharge of a bow.  But I am not sure I could get close enough to one of those coyotes to make a shot with a bow.
I grew up in Missouri. We hunted coyotes all fall and winter. I think that one thing that kept my dad alive as long as it did was the activity and exercise of getting out and hunting coyotes. I don't care how much hunting pressure was placed on coyotes, there were always more around. In my travels I lived for a time in California. I have even seen coyotes in Los Angeles miles from the closest natural habitat.
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AC5ZO... If you are truly interested in a 7-30 Waters, I can make you a much better deal than the above prices.
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