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 01-14-2018, 20:08 Post: 120197
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

Has anyone had experience with this brand of rifle. I'm told they are the only ones building this lever rifle chambered in this round and some question the strength of the mechanism to holdup to the pressures of the .454 Casull. I understand Rossi builds them overseas.

Some ask why I want this! Just wanted a companion rifle for my Ruger Super Redhawk in the same round.

Some gun shops say they are good/excellent and other says they are questionable in quality and reliability. Any input would be appreciated.






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 01-15-2018, 15:46 Post: 120204
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

I've talked to Legacy Sports and they say the models in .454 Casull are some of the most popular being sold. Several gun dealers have told me the same and have sold lots of them without any customer complaints.

I'm going to look at one today that I've located a distance away. Everyone's comments have me thinking about some of the other models. Another P92 model exists with 24" Octagon barrel with old fashioned butt plate that comes in .44 Rem. Mag., 357/.38 special and .45LC.

Maybe I should get the model in either .357 (since I have lots of those pistols) or go with the .45LC. since my Ruger Super Redhawk will also shoot this.

I've had trouble with consistency in shooting my Redhawk with the Hornady hot loads. Found out it was me not the gun. If I stick with the lighter loads of Winchesters, maybe the .454 Casull will be ok while I'm still supposed to be able to shoot .45LC's through it. I understand they have strengthed this model group and have a heavier round barrel.

If I go with the .357 or .45LC calibers that opens me up to some other brands like Cimarron,Uberti, Marlin, Navy Arms and others.






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 01-17-2018, 07:01 Post: 120212
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

Yes, I would be very interested in reading the article. I've read a number of articles from years back ('99) when Puma first started selling it. Most everyone has commented good things. One guy had an issue with cartridges splitting.

I've talked with Thompson Center's ammo guy and he said that they had problems with accuracy on barrels longer than 15". He said their twist rate didn't work well (1:16) except in certain types of ammo. They've come out with rifles chambered in the .460 & .500. He said they don't have much luck with Hornady ammo and seem to feel that Corbon works better with their products.

Have been looking at the Marlin, EMF and Navy Arms (the last 2) are imported brands and I believe made by the same people. Guess Taurus has something to do with them now. I was also looking at a .357 Mag and .45LC.

The TC guy told me he has a Puma in .357 and is surprised on the quality and told me it's mechanism is beefier than the orginal Winchester. It has sizeable double tangs.

The feel of the Puma stock fits me better than the rest. The drop, etc. works good for me. With others, I can't get a good sight picture and get out of the window of my trifocals. (May need to get a pair of shooting glasses that have the bi's and tri's going full width especially toward the nosepiece). Originally I wanted the Hi-Viz sights but they seemed blurry to me. Don't know how well they work in the sunlight. The Puma's rear sight is also more like a modern open rear sight and has a nice open picture when viewing through it. It is not an old fashioned Buckhorn style like the rest.

I agree that probably the Marlin is a better gun but it just didn't seem to pull-up right as nicely as the Puma. Down side is, I don't like the very dark almost black stain on the Puma stock. The EMF stocks looked better and in the .45LC with hex barrel and old fashioned butt plate it looks like an old Western rifle. I'm not into cowboy shooting but like the looks of the rifle.

I got it bad for getting a new rifle. Sure don't need it, have all sorts of them laying around. The .357 Mag. is more practical being cheaper to shoot. However, the .454 Casull does have the shock and awe appeal and the versatility of also shooting the .45LC.

If I go with the Casull model, chances are I'll be shooting the low to mid powered Winchester ammo through it that is the same on my Super Redhawk. That's about 30-50% more than a .44 Mag.

If I go with the .45LC and use heavier ammo, I'm almost attaining the pressures of the Casull. Puma says the Casull model has been beefed up with heat treat.

Still undecided!






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 01-17-2018, 16:50 Post: 120214
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

Yes, the e-mail came through. Thanks for the information!! I was able to view it through Adobe reader and blow it up. It was slightly out of focus but readible. The article seems to confirm that the gun is ok with that round and the quality is so,so (Rossi quality). Also makes me feel that the gun may not like certain rounds. My 30-30 and a few others are that way, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

I was out shooting last night with my other engineer that works with me. We were shooting .40 S&W pistols and .357 Mag. revolvers. It was a beautiful late afternoon with temps in the high 50's and barely any wind. We shot a box of each.

I really want the rifle in .454 Casull but wonder if I can afford to shoot it. Cartridges are almost $1.00 per round. Business better pickup!!

Thanks again!

Spoke with the importer, Legacy Sports and they currently are out of the model and barrel length that I'm looking for. I have to be patient.






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 01-18-2018, 02:39 Post: 120216
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

As things go, it has turned out I'm delaying the purchase of the rifle. Got a Stihl MM-55 power sweep and rototiller last night instead.

It is always best to buy the things you need first. The county road crew last winter peeled a bunch of sod off the shoulder of the road during snow removal for the full width of my farm property. They then scattered stone for about 20 feet in for the full width.

I worked at it for about 2 1/2 hours with almost 2 tanks of gas and got about 1/3 of it done. I then get to go to the other farm and do the same. In town where I live, they filled the cracks in the road with tar late last fall. The snow plow peeled this excess off and threw black chunks in everyones yards. Seems like there are lots of uses for this tool.

Back to the rifle. I agree the .45-70 is a better round for hunting in thick brush or for large game. There are better rounds for large game than that. I'm not a big game hunter. I have my .30-06 semi-auto and .30-30 lever for deer. We hike quite often in Michigan's U.P. and our best friends are moving to Munising/Marquette area in about a year. Coming across a black bear while hiking is a concern and usually pack a pistol, just in case. I don't know if I'd ever use the .454 Casull rifle for anything more than target shooting or deer hunting. Because of my other guns, it would only be done for the sake of doing it.

The only reason why I have the Super Redhawk in .454 Casull is because I got it so cheap, about $250.00 below retail. I always like to have several weapons in the same caliber.

Thanks again for the article!






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 01-20-2018, 03:43 Post: 120230
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 Legacy Puma P92 lever action rifle in .454 Casull

Got the Puma last night! Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Since it was imported, it has quite a bit of
grease (Cosmoline) on it. Needs to be thoroughly cleaned before use.






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 01-20-2018, 13:32 Post: 120232
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I finally got to shoot the Puma this weekend!!!!!

I started with my Winchester 250gr. JHP having light/medium loads. At 50 yards and open sights (blurry sights from bifocals) with the gun resting on sandbags I managed some groups of 2" and less. It shot low by about 6" from the factory setting. Recoil was minimal (less than a .30-30) The gun's profile is almost exactly like that of a .30-30. A person could shoot this all day.

I moved-up to my Hornady 240 gr. JHP. That shot about 12-14 inches higher than the Winchester rounds. Holy samolies (believe that is what Jack Lemon alsways said in "Grouchy Old Men" and the sequel.) the recoil is horrific. I shot 3 rounds and that was more than enough. I had about a 4-5" group.

I then went to my Mag-Tech loads that are 260 gr. JFP. They are just a little less "Hot" than the Hornady's. I shot a 3 round group of about 2" with them. They were about 10" higher than the Winchester's.

I'm going to stick with the Winchester light/medium loads. The hollow points expand in sand to a perfect round shape the size of a quarter. They definitely are more powerful than a .44 mag.

Wow! Can that baby kick!!! I'm worried if the gun can hold up to that kind of impact. The Puma appears to be constructed well. The latching side rails are triple the thickness of my .30-30 but the web of steel surround it on the receiver is about the same thickness. I definitely will be safe shooting the lighter loads.

The finish isn't perfect but I'm happy with it.






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